National Sarcasm Society
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1870 days ago
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Apr 12 '07
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131 comments
Note moyenne :
2.15 from 2,349 votes
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not bad
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i love the tee...but it's already been done..literally, word for word.
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zomgh i need this so bad!
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yeohgh on Apr 12 '07 welldone on the collaboration!!! SUPER 5 as always!!!
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and with that, i'm Zero-ing it.
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harpo25 on Apr 12 '07 hardcore!
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But I can't wear a poster!
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Tonteau on Apr 12 '07 This is really cool, guys.
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whos that dude?
also i think this is cool |
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I dunno - how much does it matter that this has been done before?
I think if there was something more incorporated into the crest that expressed sarcasm, using the lion and unicorn especially... But as it is, you've just taken the poster and added a generic crest. So... not good. |
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wadep: But I can't wear a poster!
you'd be surprised. |
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clever.
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wullagaru on Apr 12 '07 one has to wonder .. this is a collaboration between two people ... did either one know that this already existed?
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hmm i didnt know about that poster, weird
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Alright...I can't wear a poster in public...usually
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if i was to buy this, how would my friends know what NSS stands for...that needs to be expressed on the shirt somehow
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i'd buy it, i'd wear it, i'm already a member $5
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Raid71 on Apr 12 '07 iDanSimpson - wasn't aware this was a poster.... but don't really understand why you would Zero something that has been transfered to a different medium; I suppose you don't watch any films that where originally books etc
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this is far superior to the poster design. phuking $5
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whoa. I seriously didn't know it was a poster raid.
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Raid
Having seen the poster and the quality of this design (I had given it a pretty good score prior to seeing the poster), I figured the designer (being you) didn't know about the poster and that the collaborating partner (who, turns out is a 15 year old) was the thief. Trust me, I dig your designs (I have scored many of them very well), but I can't let this blatant plagiarism slide. Yes, I have seen movies that were originally books. But, in this case, we're comparing apples to T-Shirts. I don't think it's a valid analogy. |
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iDanSimpson: I honestly had no clue about the poster. I wasn't aware of its existance.
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whoa. I seriously didn't know it was a poster raid.
That's fucking shit. Google any of her slogans and you'll find plenty of hits proving her lack of originality. |
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victim... give it up. people aren't stupid.
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No, I really didn't know.
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She did steal a joke directly from Kevin Smith...
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victim... give it up. people aren't stupid.
lol, the funny thing is ... people are stupid. |
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lol, the funny thing is ... people are stupid.
you're totally right. wadep - thanks for backing me up on this one. i was feeling lonely and unvalidated. |
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MrDomino on Apr 12 '07 Your hood has been winked Raid. All kidding aside, DS has a point. I've seen 80% of her slogans in tee or poster form before.
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herky on Apr 12 '07 I love the unicorn and lion, nice work
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huh? really? links please?
seriously. if you find them elsewhere then i'll delete them. |
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I gave it a $5, but after this, I'm going to have to lower it. If it somehow did get printed, I'd still buy it.
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I want to make sure that Raid71 doesn't come out looking like the bad guy here.
From the looks of it, he had nothing to do with the plagiarism on this design. It's obvious from this design as well as all of his others that his art is original, quality, stuff. Like I said before, I scored this high before I found out the plagiarism. |
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Fooseball is just a product of soccer and shishcabobs
That's a Demetri Martin joke. |
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alrighty.. deleted.
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Well, your slogan about the platypus is taken directly from the opening of Dogma
"Fooseball is just a product of soccer and shishcabobs" is a misspelled Mitch Hedberg joke "Cocaine, it's God's way of saying you make too much money." is a Robin Williams joke So on and so forth |
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victim... you're an idiot, but i'll play along. every single one of your slogans.
"Even God has a sense of humor, look at the platypus" "I stay up late and don't do anything productive" "National Sarcasm Society - Like We Need Your Support" "Disney Gave Me Unrealistic Expectations About Love" "Cocaine, it's God's way of saying you make too much money." "Nobody ever uses the white crayon" (it's already a fucking t-shirt) "I'm fluent in sarcasm" (this one is too easy) "gingerbread men: delicious holiday treat or segway to cannibalism" and that's the last time i take that much time to prove a 15 year old wrong. very very wrong. |
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ooops. i must have typed one in incorrectly.
"Fooseball is just a product of soccer and shishcabobs" misspellings and all. this is actually a mitch hedberg joke. |
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if i were you, i'd delete every last one of them and then try to come up with something original.
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iDanSimpson, Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy. Stop attacking her age; it's not the issue here.
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Good point, Nonya.
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Wadep, is it mitch hedberg or demetri martin? it sounds like something each of them would say.
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damn, nevermind
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its not the point. she STOLE others COPYRIGHTED material.
not only that, she tried to play it off as her own, naive enough to think no one would spend the time to search through "her" slogans and other material. now, while im new here and perhaps since i hav not submitted anything, perhaps my opinion will not be cared, butwhat ever. its not right nor acceptible, especially since it brouht an obviously well-known and liked designer and almost dragged his name through the mud. |
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PS, im 16.
idk why i think that has any relevance but i thought that it should be known. |
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uhh nice thumbnail.
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i like the design. :)
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Raid71 on Apr 13 '07 I like mud
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Just for the hell of it, I thought I would look up my slogans.
I didn't knowingly copy them from other slogans. Well actually everyone has heard the expression, "there should be a law against fine print", but I thought it would make a good Type Tee. Other than that, I really thouhgt I'd come up with all of them. But low and behold, 6 of them can be found when googled. So what does this mean? I should delete them? |
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FRICKINAWESOME on Apr 13 '07 no section, if your slogans only remotely touch upon another person's previous thoughts, i don't think that constitutes as a copyright problem. But man, I'm more than little upset at victim's complete wholesale stealing of many of her slogans that i thought were quite good were actually thought up by others. Why would anyone want to put other people's slogans and thoughts up as their own and submit them in such a forum where it's all about what you can best come up with. It's a disservice to yourself and to others. Sad shit, victim...sorry that Raid had to be dragged down in this mess..
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So if it wasn't a t-shirt or a poster or ar a bumper sticker then it's cool?
Just curious FA, cause I respect your opinion. |
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Raid71 on Apr 13 '07 I have to admit I'm surprise how people have attacked 'victim' , it's a shame people aren't more encouraging
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yeah, well . . . I for one still have a doubt about it all.
It is just possible that it was a fluke, but only she knows for sure. Everyone should just be more careful. |
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I doubt it was her seeing a shirt/bumper sticker somewhere else and thinking "I should submit this to Threadless", but it was probably a case of "I heard this somewhere, It would be cool on a T-shirt", which is equally problematic.
I'm not sure how "encouraging" is the right response. |
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Raid, never give up submitting your own ideas =D Your solo work is great.
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Wow, you guys can get really mean! It makes no difference how old someone is there is no need to be rude and condescending. It is wrong to knowingly steal others work but remember the adage 'nothing is new under the sun' I have seen new and very clever takes on well known / common / popular sayings. (this is not one of them.) If one is going to appropriate the words or ideas of another then it is doubly important that the visuals be of an entirely new slant. In school I think they refered to it as the three degree rule. Three degrees of difference equals appropriation and not plaguerism. None the less it is polite to mention that you have adapted someone else's idea perhaps in the intro blurb (ie. I heard this saying at a party or saw it on a bumper sticker and thought it would make a funny shirt)
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fatheed on Apr 13 '07 Yeah. No need for the personal attacks. The creative industry is filled with ideas and designs that have been repeated, improved, borrowed from, ripped off and parodied. I don't think there was really any intent to decieve. God knows I've done stuff in the past and its turned out 100 other people had the same idea - 10 years before I did.
You may or may not be suprised to hear that someone, somewhere has probably thought up each of the printed slogans before they were printed here. Even abstract ones like Shakespeare and Haikus! Most slogans that get printed here are witty or unique phrases or word plays that has been heard by the least number of people! :) |
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ISABOA on Apr 13 '07 yeah I agree fatheed - but doglady is pretty self righteous and sure of herself for someone who has been a member for 0 days - I thinks it's obvious who doglady really is -
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ISABOA on Apr 13 '07 actually that sounds much more coherent than it should have been - and nothing is obvious - so i will go now.
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jhl786 on Apr 13 '07 you shouldn't attack her age, but this sure as hell is immature. i hope she doesn't do this outside of threadless. passing someone elses thought off as your own without citation can get you kicked out of school, fired, or sued.
i am totally with idan on this. i think threadless should delete accounts for stuff like this. |
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Monkey III on Apr 13 '07 People get same ideas though, but I don't like it when it's exact the same -- word for word. I like the concept and the execution. The crest seems a bit generic.
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the shirts not really so blatently sarcastic at first glance, could do with a little enhancement like making the animals look generally dissapointed or something
otherwise good tee, dont get the whole poster battle. ITS NOT A SHIRT lol pablox |
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Nice design Raid, nice try victim. Try again another time OK?
Hey at least it doesn't have a panda or a squid on it. 3 |
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Oh yeah. It's just a fucking tee shirt.
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like you need my vote....:)
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On a tangent: ""gingerbread men: delicious holiday treat or segway to cannibalism"
It's "segue"! Carry on. |
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But it's a segway if you're riding it!
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mezo on Apr 13 '07 Fuck it. I am scoring this totally based on raid's work alone. For that, sir, a 5$ goes out to you.
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I agree with all of the points made above regarding my attack on one of the collaborator's age. I certainly regret making the decision to bring up her age as a tactic to demoralize her character (I could be a good trial lawyer).
Age really has nothing to do with it. And again... I do like this design. And again... Raid does really fine work. And again... I love you. |
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hmmm...
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Almost all combination of words can be Googled. It's really hard to turn up 0 results on Google, unless you're searching something absurd. Turning up results on Google does not have anything to do with stealing. If you take a probability theory course, you'll know that the arrival of ideas is a Poisson distribution. Of course, when lambda (the rate of ideas being made) is huge, the likelihood of having the same idea as someone else is high. Lambda must be huge since there are like 6.5 billion people on earth and every second each person thinks of something.
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Not all combonations of words will bring up things people who make a living being funny have said.
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Nonya - you're ridiculous. You're right that all combination of words can be Googled, my point was that googling any of her slogans resulted in many hits with exact or nearly exact hits.
Which does have something to do with stealing. iDanSimpson-2, Nonya-0 |
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Raid71 on Apr 13 '07 Poisson & Lambda sounds like a good Sunday lunch or a pint down at the local
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BTW, iDanSimpson, I declare victory on this matter. You cannot dispute mathematical theory. You only proved that there's a somewhat high chance of VictomOfOpportunity to be a theif, but you did not prove it with 100% probability.
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I think I've proved my point beyond a reasonable doubt... and I think others would agree.
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wadep on Apr 13 '07
Not all combonations of words will bring up things people who make a living being funny have said. Man, read what I just said. My response: eventually there will. |
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mezo on Apr 13 '07 Boobies.
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kaloyster on Apr 13 '07 But age doesn't have anything to do with the issue, iDanSimpson.
I personally like the art Raid put into it and even though it came from a stolen slogan, there's no need to give it a zero. You must consider the time and effort Raid put into making the design. |
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So you're telling me that every writer/comedian will say every possible funny thing ever?! I need some math behind that!
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kaloyster. i agree with your first point (in fact, I adressed that very point about 7 posts above), however, it looks like we are just going to have to disagree on your second point. I do think that plagiarism shouldn't be supported in any way, no matter how well it's done.
This reminds me of all the people on Threadless getting up in arms about stolen designs being places on T-Shirts or websites or what-not... this is just about the same situation, just backwards. IMO just because we don't know the artists/writers doesn't mean we shouldn't stand up for them. |
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I hope you believe in math, Mezo. Your artistic career depends on the on the Poisson random distribution to acquit you of this deed.
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Ah, the Infinite Number of Monkeys with an Infinite Number of Typewriters Theorem.
Raid's work doesn't deserve a 0 because the slogan passed to him was stolen. Meanwhile, age does have something to do with it because victimofopportunity just learned a hard lesson the easy way, at an early age, one that will hopefully spare her from repeating the mistake in a situation when it would be a lot more critical, like college where it would result in expulsion, or business where it would result in a lawsuit. Of course if the design got printed and the plagiarism was discovered afterwards, that would have been a harder lesson, but it didn't, and so we can all just chill. :P |
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mezo on Apr 13 '07 Mathmatics is make-believe. Just like gnomes, dinosaurs, and the Jews.
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kaloyster on Apr 13 '07 Mezo I love you soo much!
Now go and score my hated-crispy fried monkey sub! Now! |
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back to the topic, poster or not, it's an original DESIGN, even if it isn't an original IDEA which is hard to find on this site anyway. so $5, i'd wear it, poster or not! :P
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Haha this thread rules
maija on Apr 13 '07 On a tangent: ""gingerbread men: delicious holiday treat or segway to cannibalism" It's "segue"! Carry on. |
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Raid71 on Apr 13 '07 Gnomes aren't real.... no way
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Regarding the shirt/slogan: I like the idea but is the slogan really sarcasm? "Like we need your support" is making it clear that you don't. But saying somethink like, "Oh, we REALLY want you as a member" is more sarcastic. Because on the surface it sounds like one thing, but means a totally different thing.
Anyway, sorry for nitpicking... |
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Tonteau on Apr 13 '07 I'm on the phone to Alanis Morrisette as I write.
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Tonteau...
LOL... you got me! |
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this is the best comment on this page:
mezo on Apr 13 '07 Fuck it. I am scoring this totally based on raid's work alone. For that, sir, a 5$ goes out to you. i'm with mezo. this design is great. $5 |
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Yeah Raid, I usually score your stuff very high, just stick to doing things on your own.
However I must say one good thing about victimofopportunity, at least she has good taste in comedians she steals things from |
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I guess that's a good thing
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RAID71 NAME IS GOLD - NO WORRIES MATE
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Dane Cook also steals a great deal of material.
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Don't forget Carlos Mencia. He got his own TV show. Stealing is more profitable that we want to think.
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Please don't speak that name on this great site
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Banksy. Warhol. =)
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Kojima on Apr 13 '07 So what did Carlos Mencia steal? I didn't hear about it.
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Raid71 on Apr 13 '07 I wonder how many people use stolen software to create subs
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Carlos Mencia stole 30 mintues of my life, and for that I hope he is quickly cancelled. And I don't mean his show, I mean his existence
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Kojima on Apr 13 '07 I think he's funny.
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oooo touche Raid71! Not me, but I suspect a great deal here.
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So what did Carlos Mencia steal? I didn't hear about it.
Supposedly, Mencia (among other routines he does) stole a bit from Bill Cosby about a guy raising his son to be a football player; the man buys him his first football, teaches him to throw the ball, signs him up for a pee wee team, goes to all of his high school and college games, etc., and then when the guy makes it to the pros and scores a touchdown, he turns to the camera and says "Hi Mom!". Mencia has supposedly done the same joke (according to a recent column by Richard Roeper). However in the Cosby version, the dad at the end doesn't really care; he sort of expects it. In the Mencia version, the guy gets pissed and says something like "F*ck that bitch! What about me??" |
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Mike: I originally wrote a similar sentiment, worded much harsher.
I haven't compiled a list or anything, since that would entail paying attention to CM, but I thought it was pretty well established that he's never written a joke in his life. |
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It's been for sale at What on Earth for years.
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Yeah it makes me mad for one that Reno 911 is "Carlos Mencia's back up" sure it's a pun, but it makes me sad.
Then I see 48 commercials a day for the new season of his show and I see diaper wearing astronaut skits and Borat skits. Even if he filmed those when they were relevant can't he realize that it's going to be much later when they're aired. And that doesn't surprise me at all that he would change the end of that skit like that. Because he has to be "edgy." "I'm Carlos Mencia, I have to cuss on air so they can bleep it, then make fun of race, gender, and the mentally ill. It's a good thing I have these 12 year olds writing my jokes. Because I know I couldn't do it myself" Sorry for defiling your post Raid, with his horrible name |
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So now the fact that it's a poster doesn't matter. It's already a shirt. Go buy it elsewhere.
Also, blah blah blah, hatred and stupid words to act like I am better than you blah blah blah blah. |
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For the art/layout, 4.
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In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"... Hey, is that on a shirt?
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raid yer awesome. 5 cause i'm not that into sarcasm but the updated coat of arms is wonderful. would've been my vote regardless.
jray - no. you rule! victim... eh, it's still just a tshirt contest. don't let it getcha down. um, and the guy in the pic is hott. is everyone here blind? focus on what's important people, c'mon! |
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This is quite a thread! Let's recap:
1) There is no way to know what NSS(i) stands for outside of this sub's title. 2) The phrase "Like we need YOUR support" is not actually sarcastic, thus defeating the shirt's purpose. 3) BUT that's OK since Victim didn't think of that phrase in the first place-- she got it (word for word) from a poster/shirt that already exists. 4) Many phrases when typed into Google will get results, but it can't be a coincidence for so many of Victim's slogans to be on the internet word for word in the same order. 5) Unless the British Crown is bothered, the design itself is good art |
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Raid71 on Apr 14 '07 Austin Jones - many coat of arms carry a lion and a unicorn... have a look at the British Crown and notice the difference...
please look up (i) if you know what this stands for you'll get the t-shirt |
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england and scotland :P
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Very good!!
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"all great art is stolen."
not to say that plagiarism is legit or anything, but more to say that the creative process is much more about taking something already in existence (in some way, shape, or form) and making it better. you'll be hard pressed to find a truly original idea these days, believe me. regardless, decent submission, a new take on an old idea. cut the flaming and carry on. |
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"Bad artists copy. Good artists steal."
--Pablo Picasso Everything has been done before. |
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i totally submited a slogan with that exact saying. hope you win.
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The design is good art. I'm not accusing you of taking the lion and unicorn from the British coat of arms, just saying that it would be funny if someone did accuse you of plagiarism for that aswell.
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$5 for the raucous conversation.
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i like it. and i like sarcasm. therefore, i like it and dont care if its already been on a poster. like someone said before. YOU CANT WEAR A POSTER!
shirt looks good $5 |
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huh, like I need your t-shirt...
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Though your design is far more charming, I must say.
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cintrao on Apr 16 '07 love the template lol. 5***** for sarcasm.
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like anyone would give this a 5 x-x
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whoa i wondered why this had so many comments... damn people rattling on.
nice design!! |
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What's with the "(i)"?
..."Like we need YOUR support" isn't sarcasm. "We DESPERATELY need your support" is sarcasm. |
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Not too into the design, it's just not my thing, but a great concept :D
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the guy in the pic is pretty cute...
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